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Why has europeus.org published this anti-Macedonian rhetoric? It borders on ridiculous. Greece has been bullying Macedonia for 18 years and Mr. Kalamidas has the nerve to denigrate this country?

Ecrit par : Jonathan | samedi, 14 juin 2008

TRUTH!!

THIS HAS GOT TO BE ONE OF THE BEST ARTILES I HAVE EVER READ

FYROM "IS" A CANCER . I LIVE IN THE U.S.A AND I CANT WAIT TILL BUSH IS OUT OF OFFICE

HAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ecrit par : Gee | samedi, 14 juin 2008

I am not clear what the issue is really but the Greeks have to be with very low IQ to make a such a big thing out of the name it is child play which lower Greece reputation , what a small country like Macedonia can harm big and powerfully nation such as Greece. If there can be two persons with similar name why it can be a country? I dont agree with author I think his nationalistic approach blind him. Greek debt is toping at 80% of gdp economy is 70% relaying on transport and is matter of time they will start eating their own flash, they should focus on domestic live which is going to start deteriorating very rapidly.

Ecrit par : Ice | samedi, 14 juin 2008

This article borders on insanity. If you liked Mein Kampf, you'll probably like it, but if you have any sense and reason you'll can see these poisonous words what they really are - lies, propaganda and racism. These words come from a man whose country is a self-declared "ethically clean" state, a country which doesn't recognize its ethnic minorities and which bullies its neighbours.

It's Greek fashism which the cancer in Europe, Mr. Kalamidas, and people like you.
Here is how Greece treats its minorities - http://youtube.com/watch?v=MHzvsbPiNCs

P.S. - This website just lost a lot of credibility in my eyes, publishing garbage like this.

Ecrit par : Marjan | samedi, 14 juin 2008

Check out the moron above in his comment quoting "Mein Kampf" What a bumbling idiot.

Talk about a dumb fool!

People Greece has a point F.Y.R.OM has no identity and is trying to leach off of Greece

Bite the hand that feeds you .

In time it will be too late.

Why dont the Greeks just close this case and leave NO OPEN TALKS .

Call it a day and let FYROM fight amongs themselves .

Im not even Greek but Im on there side .

Ecrit par : Bob | samedi, 14 juin 2008

Yeah right, Macedonia has no identity... :)

What does that even mean? Only a deluded racist can come up with a dumb comment like that.

Ecrit par : Gjore | samedi, 14 juin 2008

To the person above (Gjore) yes Macedonian has an identity :) and it goes back in ancient history to the Ancient Greeks. Yes the Greeks .take it or leave it ....

Funny how I have seen some articles online lately on how the Greeks aren't the true Macedonian people.

It has given my friends and I much to giggle about ..

Alexander the SLAV?

OH COME ON FOLKS!!

Thats absurd.

The name issue should be resolved with FYROM calling themselves NEW MACEDONIA.

Who are they trying to kid? The general public is intelligent and look at the recent "historical archeological findings" as fictitious dilusional and yes all fake!

Greek people have been very diplomatic about this whole issue from all the headlines I am reading and I dont even live there !

Im sure if it was another nation they wouldn even bother and close this case altogether...

Macedonia is Greek.

Period.

Ecrit par : Cybergata | samedi, 14 juin 2008

What an ugly volley of personal cheap shots and demonizing attacks.

This isn’t balanced journalism it deserves to sit on a personal blog out of sight.

Ecrit par : Frank | dimanche, 15 juin 2008

Please read this year "Trafficking in Persons Report June 2008" from the US Department of State. Here are some extracts:

Macedonia is in Tier One countries with Canada, Switzerland... and Greece, well Greece is in Tier Two countries together with Ethiopia, Tanzania...

"The Government of Macedonia fully complies with
the minimum standards for the elimination of
trafficking. The government made marked progress
during the last year: it improved its capacity to identify
and protect victims, resulting in a greatly increased
number of victims identified and significantly more
victims offered and provided assistance. The government’s
aggressive prosecution efforts resulted in an
increased number of traffickers convicted."

"The Government of Greece does not fully comply
with the minimum standards for the elimination of
trafficking; however, it is making significant efforts
to do so. While Greece continued to fund prevention
programs in source countries, co-sponsor
anti-trafficking training, and provide for domestic
shelters in Greece, long-standing recommendations
in previous reports concerning victim identification,
victim protection, and punishment for traffickers
remain unaddressed. Greece has yet to ratify a 2004
child repatriation agreement negotiated with Albania,
shelters remain underutilized, and convicted traffickers
are not serving imposed sentences. Inadequate
protection of both identified and potential trafficking
victims remain serious concerns."

Thank you.

Ecrit par : Branko | dimanche, 15 juin 2008

Who the hell is this person Thanos Kalamidas?
what an Idiot. I could not even finish the trash he wrote.

This is beyond being biased. What a fanatic idiot.

Mr. Kalamidas........Grow up.

T. K.

Ecrit par : Thomas | dimanche, 15 juin 2008

I can find better quotes from Skopjians and just as smart:
Quote:
"I have written new novel called the MakCode (I liked Davinci code!). It has conclusive proof that Alexander sired hundreds of children which are all living in Skopje from DNA evidence collected by the Veterinary school in Skopje. In fact I found out that I am one of them."
Risto Stefov, Direct Descendent of Alexander the Great.

Quote:
"Madonna, 50 cent, and Ice cube are all Slavic people and descendants from Macedonia. Furthermore, they are Alexander the Great's progeny."
Risto Stefov


Quote:
"I went back into time machine long time ago and found out every Greek was a Bulgarian Slav that came from Russian Area. Very quickly they learned Greek from Fishes in Aegean but they were Slavs... Notice also we Slavs do not have any ancient Greek words anymore. We dont like them (maybe they disappeared), nor do we like fishes. We like water though and plan to somehow trick people into giving us the land to the sea (Macedonia, Greece) by creating a load of @#@ on the internet that some idiots will believe (including our own people). "

Risto Stefov honourary Ph.D M.D M.Sc. MBA from BS University from Skopjian Institute Highest Ranked in all villages in Skopje.



Quote:
"We have conclusive proof all Greeks are Eskimoes, and Skopjians are direct descendents of Alexander the Great, although we cannot show you at this time, nor at a later time, nor never. Just believe me as I am a scholar from Skopjian Village Polytechnic and have studied the sexual propagation of Sheep."

Makform secret Professor
John Doe and Risto Stefov Collaborator

Ecrit par : Factfinder | dimanche, 15 juin 2008

This is hilarious...I cant believe that articles like this can be taken seriously.
Firstly, I would like to state that no one is calling Alexander the Great a Slav.
And what people with a Greek national consciousness need to understand is that they, like all of the other nationalities in Europe, are the product of thousands of years of intermixing between cultures. In the Balkan region alone, this amounts to invasions by many different people including Slavs, Avars, Celts, Tatars, etc. Greece wasnt exempt from these invasions either. There was no protective barrier shielding them from invasion. Furthermore, Greece didnt exist until the 1800's, and it came into existence as a result of the phenomenon that was nationalism that occured in Europe since the late 1700's, as did all of the other states in the Balkans. So please end your romantic love affair with claims that Greeks are ethnically homogenous, and are the true decendents of the ancient Macedonians etc. Its pathetic.

Ecrit par : William | dimanche, 15 juin 2008

When will the Greek madness stop? Sooner or later all the problems with monitories will become such a problem in Greece that the country will probably end up as Yugoslavia with Civil War. Politicians in Greece have the same rhetoric towards Macedonia and Macedonians as Hitler had against Jews and Israel. Karman Ali president of the Former Ottoman Republic of Greece has same politics as Milosevic and look how he end up.

I read some where that the Greek foreign minister wants the death penalty for members of the Democratic Rainbow Party - Macedonian political party in Greece. This is absurd. Can you believe that Greece has been a NATO member since 1952 and a member in European Union since 1982.

Ecrit par : Internet | dimanche, 15 juin 2008

This artice is only the proof that Greece still continues to act as a superior or aryan nation towards Macedonia and Albania.
Second, one can easily conclude that Greek comments are biased and full of racist rhetorics while Macedonian ones are based on facts.
We are not the ones that bite the hand that feeds us because Greece can't feed us.
The truth is that Aegean Macedonia, the Region, annexed and not liberated by Greece in 1913, feeds Greece, and every Greek city should thank Republic of Macedonia.
A country can't elude his responsablity on a planned ethnocide and the whole problem lies there.
The country name is the tree that hides the forrest.
When Australia and Canada can as States publicly forgive it's autochtone population, i suggest that Greece should do the same for it's autochtonous Macedonian population.

Ecrit par : Daniel | dimanche, 15 juin 2008

this is not true,just another greek shit talking some stupit things,

Ecrit par : z | dimanche, 15 juin 2008

A well written article. Telling it as it really is.
It will be a very new era when George Bush is gone.
FYROM will not get away with their dirty politics.
FYROM, get off your knees and stop sucking...Georgie is going and cannot help you anymore !!!!

Ecrit par : Nick | dimanche, 15 juin 2008

• Simple answers to frequently used Slavic arguments

"Greece officially denied the use of the name Macedonia after the Balkan wars."
This is a very inaccurate argument. There are several examples of state institutions and private businesses using the name Macedonia which operate in Greece since the early 1900s. These are just a few of them:

The "Macedonia" newspaper (1912)
The Society for Macedonian Studies (1939)
The museum of ancient Macedonia (1961)
The museum of the Macedonian struggle (1979)
Greece has been actively using the name Macedonia since its liberation from the Ottoman empire. If Greece's official position was to "deny the existence of Macedonia" how would it be possible for hundreds of private companies to be named after Macedonia?

"Greece has changed the "Macedonian" names of locations in the Macedonia region."
The Greek names are older than the Slavic ones and most of them have their roots in ancient Greece. The Greek names of the towns in Macedonia are also mentioned in the Bible. A characteristic example is Thessaloniki. This city was founded in 315 bc by the Macedonian king Kasssandros and it was named after Alexanders' half sister - Thessaloniki. How could the Greeks change the name from Solun (as the Slavs claim) to Thessaloniki in 1912 if that was the original name? The name Thessaloniki is even mentioned in the bible by St Paul. Why did he address his letters (epistoles) to the people of Thessaloniki and not the to the people of Solun?
What about the Greek names of towns inside FYROM used during the Ottoman times? Did Greece change them as well?

"Today's 'Greeks' and ancient 'Hellenes have no relation between them."
How is it possible for the people who live in the same region, speak the same language and have the same names and culture not to be descendants of the ancient inhabitants of the region? Similarly we could say that today's Egyptians are not descendants of ancient Egyptians and today's Chinese people are not descedants of ancient Chinese.
The name 'Greek' is in fact ancient as well as the famous philosopher Aristotelis verifies:
"...and she was not there forever, but after the cataclysm of Defkalion, which occurred in the Hellenic area, in fact, in the ancient Hellas, which was around Dodoni, and it changed many times the flow of Acheloos river. In that area live the Selloi and the ones that were once called Graecoi and are now called Hellenes..." [Aristotelis Meteorologika, I, 14]

"There is a large Macedonian minority in Greece"
There is no "Macedonian minority" in Greece because there is no such nationality. There is a small group of people who speak a Slavic dialect which is in fact different from what is claimed to be the "Macedonian language" These people are not a "Macedonian minority" as they consider themselves Greeks. There is also an even smaller group of Slav propagandists who are trying to create a Macedonian minority in Greece. Anyone who didn't consider him/herself Greek could and should have left Greece during the exchange of populations in 1919.

"One million people in Greece consider themselves Macedonians"
In the 1996 parliament elections in Greece the political party of the people who claim to be a "Macedonian minority" gained 3.485 votes (official result). In the 2000 parliament elections they didn't take up part at all. Of course there is no doubt of the integrity of the election procedures since Greece is a member of the European Union. If there was such a large number of "Macedonians" in Greece (1/10th) wouldn't be easy for them to stand up against the "Greek occupation"?

"Greece acquired illegally Aegean Macedonia in 1913"
Greece acquired 51% of Macedonia in 1913 as a result of the treaty of Bucharest. International treaties are not illegal. Furthermore Greece in 1913 was not a powerful country to acquire any land it desired. This land was "given" to Greece because it historically belonged to Greece and its residents were Greek.

"What gives Greece the right to name another country? This issue is straightforward, every country has the right to call itself whatever it wishes."
This is a misleading statement. The author knows very well why Greece is objecting to the use of the name Macedonia. In fact every country has the right to chose its own name as far as it does not belong to another country's history. The name Macedonia belongs to the Greek history. Greece has the right to protect its history and heritage.

"Saints Cyril and Methdje (or Kirl and Metodi) were not Greeks but Macedonians."
Saints Cyrilos and Methodios were Greeks born in Thessaloniki and this is well known to all Christians. Pope John Paul the B' in an official apostolic homily to the entire Catholic Church proclaimed that Methodius and Cyril "Greek brethren born in Thessaloniki" are consecrated as "heavenly protectors of Europe". John Paul B' repeated this statement in a speech delivered in the church of Saint Clements, in Rome. You can see the original document here.

"Greece stole the Macedonian history"
Greece does not 'steal' history. It has its own lengthy and respected history. It is the only thing that Greece has plenty of it. The Greek history and culture is respected by all the countries in the world. People who don't have their own history need to 'steal' someone else's...

"Linguistic science has at its disposal a very limited quantity of Macedonian words. A very limited quantity in this case is a quantity indeed, that Greeks cannot ignore."
This argument proves the Greek point that the "Macedonian language" was a Greek a dialect. There only exists "a limited quantity of Macedonian words" because the Macedonian dialect had "limited" differences from the Greek language.
How could it be possible for a separate "ancient Macedonian language" to disappeared after what Alexander had achieved?

"If Philip united and not conquered the Greeks why did Alexander leave 25.000 men of his army in Macedonia when he is about to face the strongest and most numerous army in the world?"
No sensible leader would go on a quest taking ALL his army with him and leaving his homeland unprotected!
And of course he did not leave 25.000 men in Macedonia because he was afraid of the other Greeks. Macedonia had lots of real enemies at its northern border (Illyrians, Dardanians,Paionians etc).

"If Macedonians were Greek then why only 30% of Alexander's army were Greek?"
The right question to ask is 'why as many as 30% of Alexander's army were from the rest of Greece?' After all Macedonians and Greeks were supposed to be enemies! The Macedonians 'conquered' the Greeks according to the Slavic version of the Macedonian history. The fact that a very significant part of Alexander's army were non-Macedonian Greeks shows the truth.

"Ancient Macedonians did not take part in the Olympic Games"
This is another false statement. It can be easily proved that people from Macedonia took part in the Olympic Games. For a list Macedonians who won the Olympic Games the click here.

"Ancient Macedonians fought against Greece."
This is another misleading statement. It is well known that the ancient Greek states were largely independed of each other and that often led to wars between them. Some well-known examples are the Peolloponisian was between Athens and Sparti, the Athenians quest in the island of Mitilini, the brutal war between Sparti and Thebes and many more. A war between two ancient Greek regions did not mean that one of them was not Greek.

"There are no ancient monuments written in the Macedonian language because Greek archaeologists destroy them when they are recovered."
Even if we accept that this is true it still doesn't explain why aren't there any monuments in the rest of Macedonia!
What about the ancient monuments in FYROM and Bulgaria?
What about the ancient monuments on Alexander's route in Asia?
Why aren't there any "non Greek Macedonian monuments" ?
Oh, I know why! The Greek archaeologists must have destroyed them as well !!!

"If in fact, "Macedonia is Greece", how come they feel the need to emphasize, to shout, and to proclaim over and over again? After all, we never hear them proclaiming that 'Thebes is Greece', or 'Sparta is Greece' ".
If the Salvs wanted to name heir country "Republic of Thebes" or "Republic of Sparta" who would shout out "Thebes and Sparta are Greek". But they are claiming to be Macedonians so we shout that

"MACEDONIA WAS GREEK"
"MACEDONIA IS GREEK"
"MACEDONIA WILL BE FOREVER GREEK"


FINI

Ecrit par : GreeksAreHot | dimanche, 15 juin 2008

A very well written and sobre article!
Of course everybody knows that the Macedonian identity was always Greek! No need to be taught history on this matters! What next that Holocaust never happened?
Sometimes things need to be called by their name!
FYROMians you need to grow up and face reality rather than buring your heads in the sand!
Time is not on your side! You live in a dangerous world!

Ecrit par : Robert Powell | dimanche, 15 juin 2008

One thing I do know, studying international affairs, is that Macedonia is Greek and not slavic. I have studied this topic and have noted one main thing in all articles and comments made by the FYROMians. This is that you state false facts and none of your commenst are supported by history. Your comments are based on personal feeling of hurt....which is weak trying to convince people like me who is objective on both sides. The Greeks have strong supported facts. You might be able to foll some people, usually those ignorant American people, but for most of the world, they will not buy it. As the Amercians, their stance will change when Mr. Bush leaves office because they have greater issues to deal with than FYROM. The new dministartion will look at other options for a military base in the region as they know that FYROM may not be sustainable. To the people of FYROM, stop the lies and be proud of your true decent....mostly Bulgarian. You should all be sad and not proud of yourselves denying your ethnicity....pretty shallow if you ask me. FYROM wants everything but does not give up anything...that is not good neighbourly relations..especially trying to steal the Greek history. If the US did not support you, which they may not in the near future, your government would have changed the name already.

Ecrit par : The Canadian | dimanche, 15 juin 2008

One thing I do know, studying international affairs, is that Macedonia is Greek and not slavic. I have studied this topic and have noted one main thing in all articles and comments made by the FYROMians. This is that you state false facts and none of your commenst are supported by history. Your comments are based on personal feeling of hurt....which is weak trying to convince people like me who is objective on both sides. The Greeks have strong supported facts. You might be able to foll some people, usually those ignorant American people, but for most of the world, they will not buy it. As the Amercians, their stance will change when Mr. Bush leaves office because they have greater issues to deal with than FYROM. The new dministartion will look at other options for a military base in the region as they know that FYROM may not be sustainable. To the people of FYROM, stop the lies and be proud of your true decent....mostly Bulgarian. You should all be sad and not proud of yourselves denying your ethnicity....pretty shallow if you ask me. FYROM wants everything but does not give up anything...that is not good neighbourly relations..especially trying to steal the Greek history. If the US did not support you, which they may not in the near future, your government would have changed the name already.

Ecrit par : The Canadian | dimanche, 15 juin 2008

Some (Undisputable) FACTS:

The Republic of Macedonia is a part of the greater historical/geographical region of Macedonia. It does not claim to be ALL of Macedonia, only the “Republic” of Macedonia. Automatically the absurdity of the name issue is made evident. So why then is Greece so adamant in changing the name of this country...the name is not the issue, the Macedonian identity is their problem, but here are some quick facts about the history of the land and the people. These are undisputable facts that even Greeks cannot deny........

The Bucharest treaty of 1913, divided the lands of Ancient Macedonia amongst Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia. The part given to Serbia back then is now the Republic of Macedonia.
After 1913 Greece embarked on a policy of forced assimilation of Slav speaking Macedonians, by being denied the right to speak their own language and having their names changed to one with a Greek connotation, eg: ‘is’, ‘ous’, ‘as’, ‘ou’ etc.

Before the 1913 treaty which divided Macedonia, Macedonians were the majority people on the whole region of Macedonia, including the region which today is under Greece.

During the 1920’s the population trade between Greece and Turkey saw 1 million Christians from Turkey settle in today’s Greek-Macedonia, which is the reason why "Greeks" now form a majority there. These same “Christian Turks” who have lived on that land for less than a century now profess to be the true descendants of Alexander the Great? Yet we are not because we "speak" a Slavic Language? Languages throughout history have been lost and new ones adopted. Sure Slavs settled in the lands of today’s Macedonia, but they also settled in parts of Greece and Italy, yet the latter are not considered Slavs because they did not adopt the Slavic language. We ADOPTED the Slavic language; the ancient Macedonians were not wiped off the face of the earth, the Slavs invaded, as did the Romans etc....these people mixed with the native people of that land. We are the descendants of that lineage. There were hardly any Greeks in that land before 1913 except for a pocket in Chalkidiki, the rest of them were forcefully settled there from Turkey.

To say that we are Slavs because we speak a Slavic language is to say that Irish, Welsh and Scottish are English because they speak an adopted English language. Or that Basque people are Spanish because they speak and adopted Spanish language. You see throughout history this has occurred and is still occurring. I’m positive within a century or two, any traces of the Gaelic or Basque languages in society will disappear, yet these people will not become English or Spanish.

So for anyone to say Greeks and not Macedonians are descendants of ancient Macedonians are plain absurd. Greeks claim that language determines ethnicity; they claim that because we speak a Slavic language (which is typologically related to Greek, Albanians and Romanian and not other Slavic languages) we must be Slavs, yet they acknowledge the existence of Slavic speakers in Northern Greece but they chose to call them Slavophone-Greeks?...by their logic, this makes no sense.

The misconceptions that the rest of the world is lead to believe is the result of years of Greek propaganda. The victor always writes history, Greece is more powerful and has more influence in the world. It’s a country formed by the western allies who instilled upon them their own Bavarian monarchy. Us “ little people” have to fight for what’s right while the victors blatantly spread lies and hate amongst people.

The fact is, all that i have stated is true and common sense. Anyone who is actually interested in the issue can do their own research and find this information out. The Greeks will blatantly ignore the 1913 treaty of Bucharest or the Greek population trade from any of their Macedonia history sources.

Also visit www.florina.org the Macedonian party in Greece. Read some of the stories of human rights abuses against Macedonians and you'll soon realise that the what you once thought to be the "cradle of civilisation" and the "birthplace of Democracy" is responsible for some of the worst human rights abuses of our time and is still committing them till this day.

Ecrit par : Goce K | dimanche, 15 juin 2008

Kyrie Kalamida, allow me to queto from the book "Old Salonica", Kedros Athens 1980, by the late, well respected Greek writer Elias Petropouls, p. 7 : For two millennia Salonica wasn't for one minute Greek.......I absolutely do not believe the histories of Salonica as contrived by various modern Greek historians; they are histories which reek of chauvinism." Perhaps Elias Petropoulos had people like you in mind when he wrote " REEK OF CHAUVINISM". On p. 10 " Outline of Salonica's History, in a chronological order from 315 B.C. to 1941-1944, the author writes : " 1912 the Greek Army seizes Salonica".Yes sir, Elias Petropoulos, unlike you, was a true Hellen, as Mathew Arnold on his book of "Hellinisn" put it " The uppermost idea with Helenism is to see things as really are." You must have graduated from the school of "E. Koufos- N. Martis" to write this artical of disrespect for other people ethinc identity.
God help us,

George

Ecrit par : George | dimanche, 15 juin 2008

Kyrie Kalamida, allow me to queto from the book "Old Salonica", Kedros Athens 1980, by the late, well respected Greek writer Elias Petropouls, p. 7 : For two millennia Salonica wasn't for one minute Greek.......I absolutely do not believe the histories of Salonica as contrived by various modern Greek historians; they are histories which reek of chauvinism." Perhaps Elias Petropoulos had people like you in mind when he wrote " REEK OF CHAUVINISM". On p. 10 " Outline of Salonica's History, in a chronological order from 315 B.C. to 1941-1944, the author writes : " 1912 the Greek Army seizes Salonica".Yes sir, Elias Petropoulos, unlike you, was a true Hellen, as Mathew Arnold on his book of "Hellinisn" put it " The uppermost idea with Helenism is to see things as really are." You must have graduated from the school of "E. Koufos- N. Martis" to write this artical of disrespect for other people ethinc identity.
God help us,

George

Ecrit par : George | dimanche, 15 juin 2008

Please invite friends to join and sign our petition in order to stop this masquerade.30,000 people and counting ... Thank you...


http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/makedonia-is-greek/sign.html



Few people know what is going on in the Balkans at this moment.

The history of the home of modern civilisation, Greece, is about to be changed by some bureaucrats for the sake of stability in the region. But stability cannot be achieved if we let the state of Skopje call itself 'Macedonia' in any way.

Macedonia was the home of Alexander the Great, and the Macedonian kingdom, like Sparta, Athens and other Hellenic city-states, which all go back over 3000 years, composed the Hellenic Nation, the one you all know as Greek. They all took part in the, restricted to Hellenes, Olympic Games and their language, culture, religion, art and history were Greek.

In times of Alexander, and throughout many wars and fights, Macedonia, expanded and reached the Middle East and Northern Africa. Therefore, many foreign people have experienced Macedonian sovereignty; the fact that the Skopjean State occupies a part of the ancient Macedonian territory is true, and the fact that, in parts of Skopje, you can find Macedonian exhibits is equally undeniable.

In modern times, Greece has been restricted to its actual territory, due to significant disputes over territory and minorities in the Balkans, which ended up in long negotiations and treaties aiming at stability in the area.

Greece could claim those Macedonian territories, could demand any ancient Macedonian territory's annexation. BUT WE DON'T. We don't threaten anyone, we don't claim anything. We protect our rights!

In the past century, Greek governments and politicians have done nothing but incline to any foreign demand. In 1944, nothing was done when Yugoslavia was divided into six semi-autonomous provinces/"republics" and the province of southernmost Yugoslavia, which until then had only been known as 'Vardarska', was suddenly renamed 'Macedonia'. In the 1990's, nothing was done when Skopje was formally recognized by the United Nations as the 'Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia' (F.Y.R.O.M.).

But, this has proven to be far more than a superficial name problem. To those who say "what's in a name? too much fuss over nothing", there's nothing really in a name; there are many cities called Athens in the world(Athens is the Greek Capital and an ancient Greek Goddess of wisdom)... many Alexandrias as well (cities founded by Alexander the Great)!
The point is in the effort that the actual state of FYROM, former Skopje and ex-county of Vardaska is making to distort historical facts, deny Greek History, claim our heroes and territories to be theirs etc etc.

Here is what some of them have said in the past...

"We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great ...our language is closely related to Bulgarian... there is some confusion about the identity of the people of this country."
[FYROM's Ambassador to Canada, Gyordan Veselinov in an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, 24 February 1999]

"We came to this area in the sixth century... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians."
[FYROM'S President Mr. Kiro Gligorov, Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35.]

Therefore, why do they insist on adopting the word 'Macedonia' into the name of their country? Why did they rename their airport “Alexander the Great”?… This is a unique case, one of the greatest attempted frauds in History.



Just think for a moment that this so called "stability effort", "democracy vindication", these history-twisting world treaties may affect YOUR country as well some day.. if it hasn't already...

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Thank you !

Ecrit par : G Edws | dimanche, 15 juin 2008

Strange enough, none of the comments actually replies to what Thanos stated: that there is a big deal of trafficking in this area and that some of the international smuggling routes nowadays pass via FYROM. Smuggling drugs and girls is a serious matter and should be fought without any compromise. But for most of the commentators, this does not seem to matter too much.
However, when reading all these comments, I get the feeling that "Europe" is far from becoming "Europe". The discussion between Greece and FYROM reads like the conflict between Turkey and Kurdistan, like the conflict between Israel and Palestine. If we want to construct a common future, there is no alternative than to overcome historical issues which date from the times of Alexander.
All the threatening back and forth won't bring peace to this region - the only way is to sit down around a table and to search together for solutions.
And before these issues are resolved - full stop to any further extension of the EU. Thanks to the Irish that they force us with their "no" to fully review what Europe is and what it should be in the future.
In any case, it would be great if the discussion would be more respectful and if the commentators could refrain from personal attacks.

Ecrit par : Kai | lundi, 16 juin 2008

I have one question: Isn't Greece subject to people trafficking, drug smuggling, arms dealing and other illegal activities like many other countries? You must be blind if you believe that Greece is free of these problems. After all, Albanians are overrunning the Balkans with their illegal activities, so before you criticize a neighboring nation with a much cleaner human rights record than Greece's, maybe the Greeks (including the author) should look in their own backyard. Many of you obviously haven't been to Greece as an objective person, and seen what xenophobic, backwards people Greeks really are. They are indoctrinated with hatred for other nations, for other cultures, they are made to think that they are superior to all others. It is a country that keeps a tight grip over its citizens, controlling their movements, media, employment etc. Everything is centralized, and anything against the doctrine of Hellenizm is deemed to be inappropriate. Free thought and speech and not looked upon with kindness.
I was in Greece 3 years ago, and the picture I saw was one that was very multi-ethnic in character, but sadly, many citizens and residents were afraid to express their true ethnic identity. This included ethnic Macedonians, Turks, Albanians, Vlachs etc.

Ecrit par : William | lundi, 16 juin 2008

To the gentleman above. Yes ,Greece it is subject to drug smuggling but arent all countries ?(dont let me get started here on that as far as adding a HUGE LIST please... )

BTW I dont like you calling my homeland (eventhough I am an American married to a Norwegian Protestant I am of Greek extract) "backwards".

We are all different and we should respect that ! If anything Greece has been the forefather of invention and we have all learned from their culture . Have some respect !

A derogatory comment spewing out of someones mouth here must mean you are from FYROM right? Hate Greeks ? Well thats too bad because we arent going away ...Sorry...

As we all very well know the Greek community with its rich culture and heritage doesnt need to prove anything to the world. Greece is very multi ethnic and the people are friendly and curtious !

I love Greece !

I love many countries in Europe!

William what you must do is travel a bit more abroad within Europe and even more so maybe go to some 3rd world countries ( India ,etc etc ) and then come back a comment when your head is on straight....

Ecrit par : Tina | lundi, 16 juin 2008

To William,

William, I would have to say that you take a little of your on suggestion and look at things objectively. You obviously went to Greece looking for what you wanted to see. Many people have been to Greece and have nothing but praise for the beautiful country and remarkably warm and hospitable people. It's all a matter of fulfilling you expectations. If you went looking for negative things then you will find them since Greece (like any place can be) is subject to the same problems that all countries face.

Your comment that Greece "is a country that keeps a tight grip over its citizens, controlling their movements, media, employment etc. Everything is centralized, and anything against the doctrine of Hellenizm is deemed to be inappropriate. Free thought and speech and not looked upon with kindness." is obviously flawed. A more free spirited and uncontrollably individualistic people has to be harder to find anywhere. Greeks are brash, opinionated and in your face. I have never felt intimidated about saying what I like and have not met any other Greeks who had a problem giving their opinion to anyone. We are free to say what we like.

Finally, I don't hate anyone else and nobody in my family does either. We are extremely proud to be Greek though. Why should we not? We have a connection to a glorious past, speak a beautiful language that has enjoyed a long evolution, live in a beautiful and breathtaking country and are free to speak our minds. Being a Greek is a blessing that we warmly extend to all those who want to be one too.

Ecrit par : John | mardi, 17 juin 2008

To Tina,

For your information, I consider myself very well informed; I hold an Honour's Degree in International Relations and a Bacelor's degree in Business. Furthermore, I am multilinguial, speaking 4 languages, and I have travelled extensively (throughout Asia, the Middle East and Europe). So I feel that I have a firm basis from which I can make comment, particularly the Balkans since I have travelled through their extensively. Furthermore, I dont hate Greeks. On the contrary, I have many Greek friends, however, my friends seem to be more widely informed than yourself (please dont take this the wrong way). And I am not bilittling the Greeks and their cultural heritage, I am just stating what I have observed, as a neutral third party. I spoke to a wide variety of peoples when I was last in Greece, and I received different reports and information from a broad spectrum of people, both Greek and non-Greek.

To John,

I actually went to Greece for a holiday with some friends, I didnt go with the intention of finding flaws with the nation. The flaws appeared themselves, and, because I was staying in Greece for a while, I had the time to conduct some investigations of my own.
John, your comment that Greek people "are brash, opinionated and in your face" is absolutely right! And they do like to express their opinion. I did not oppose that. What I do oppose is when I see a non-Greek being denounced by his fellow Greek citizen when he chose to speak in his native Macedonian. On another occasion, a Turk was threatened with being assaulted because of his proclamation that he is an ethnic Turk. That I do not care for, and do not approve of. Its a violation of an individual human beings right to exist.

Furthermore, you may be a Greek that is excepting of others, which is great. And your right, you should be proud of your heritage. But you cannot deny another nation's right to exist (that is apart of being xenophobic). It is also counter-productive to the principles of the EU.

Regards,

William

Ecrit par : William | mardi, 17 juin 2008

I can't believe this sort of vile nonsense even gets published. Greek psychotic nationalism at it's finest.

Madness, MADNESS!!

Ecrit par : makaton | mardi, 17 juin 2008

I really dig this article . Thank you Mr Thanos!

CHECK OUT THIS WEBSITE !

Anti-Greek Macedonia Propaganda

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/anti-greek-macedonia-propaganda/

THE BEST READ ON THE NET!


FYROM is a joke.....

Ecrit par : Victory | mercredi, 18 juin 2008

William,

Firstly, as you can see from my previous post I didn't mention anything about the name dispute but I will now. Is Greece really trying to deny a nations right to exist? How is it possible that by asking for a geographic qualifier in FYROM's name it will render the Macedonians of FYROM extinct? They still will be Macedonians and (for lack of anything better to call their language) still speak Macedonian. There are 2.5 million Macedonians in Greece that don’t seem to have any problem retaining their heritage as Macedonians and yet they are also, and quite contentedly, Greeks that live in a significant part of a region called Macedonia in a country called the Hellenic Republic. A citizen of “The Republic of Something Macedonia” will simply be a Macedonian.

The second point I have to bring up, and the real reason I posted to begin with, is that you really pissed me off with you small minded bigotry. How dare you generalize an entire nation and people as you did in your first post? Goody for you. You went to Greece and saw some things you did not like. And from that little trip you were able to generalize and make sweeping and intolerant statements about Greeks? Let me quote once more?

“Many of you obviously haven't been to Greece as an objective person, and seen what xenophobic, backwards people Greeks really are. They are indoctrinated with hatred for other nations, for other cultures, they are made to think that they are superior to all others. It is a country that keeps a tight grip over its citizens, controlling their movements, media, employment etc. Everything is centralized, and anything against the doctrine of Hellenizm is deemed to be inappropriate. Free thought and speech and not looked upon with kindness.”

Greeks are backwards and xenophobic? Some are, but you make it sound like it’s a national condition. You are wrong. I think you will find that this happens everywhere. I don’t recall being indoctrinated to hate anyone. I am a Greek, I am proud. Hate is a human condition and is rampant through out this world. You may also have missed from my first post that Greece is not the totalitarian state you think it is. People go where they want, do what they want and say what they want. Like I mentioned earlier, Greeks are brash, individualistic and “in your face”. Perhaps these qualities might be a little too much for the weak minded sniveling pussies of the world, but Greeks don’t have a problem with it. What you might take as abusive and hateful is nothing more than one person spouting their opinion. I blow it off and continue on. We are a difficult people this way, but we generally don’t mean harm. Free thought is prized above all else in Greece. “Eleftheria I Thanatos”… “Freedom or Death”… For all the weak little sniveling pussies of the world that can’t handle it and decide that Greeks are big bad people for it, well, you can just…. I won’t say any more because I am trying to keep this civilized. So, there ya go William. This is a defensive argument because I can’t accept your post as anything other than a racist rant cloaked in the veil of assumed knowledge and reason.

Ecrit par : John | mercredi, 18 juin 2008

John,

Regarding your first point: Macedonia is a geographic region, yes. Therefore It doesn't need a further geographic qualifier. Allow me to elaborate a this point, and present some of my conclusions, which I, along with many of my colleagues, feel would be a logical solution to the so-called 'name dispute'. Firstly, it is important to define some terms.
Objectively speaking, Macedonia can be defined as a wider geographic region in the Balkans, divided between Greece (roughly 51% of geographic Macedonia), the Republic of Macedonia (approximately 39%), Bulgaria (around 9%), and Albania (1%). Greece has (from the late 1980's) referred to that portion of Macedonia as Greek Macedonia. Bulgaria has referred to its section as Pirin Macedonia, the Albanian parts are simply referred to Golo Brdo (in the original Macedonian form). And lastly, the part that is independent is known simply as the 'Republic of Macedonia'. Therefore, if you follow this line of argument, the Republic of Macedonia doesn't need a further qualifier, as you suggested, as it has already been qualified as a 'Republic' - thus it is a state and has ceased to be merely a region within a state. There can be no confusion whatsoever between Republic of Macedonia, Greek Macedonia, Pirin Macedonian and Golo Brdo, because they have been further qualified from the original name Macedonia.

So in answer to your question, the Greeks are actually denying the Macedonians their right to exist, particularly in their own state. The Republic of Macedonia doesnt need a further qualifier, e.g. New Macedonia of Republic of Macedonia-Skopje, anymore than Greece needs to be called Hellenic Republic - Athens. By asking for a people to place a geographic qualify on something that is ethnically, culturally, and historically theirs is basically undermining their existence. Furthermore, regarding their language, the Macedonian language is recognized as a literary language by all major and important linguists world-wide e.g. Victor Friedman. Only Greeks and Bulgarians do not recognize it.

You last sentence in paragraph one puzzles me, and I would further like to add to this.
Firstly, if we follow a historical line of reasoning, Greeks can only be referred to as 'Macedonians" in a geographic sense (i.e. Greek-Macedonians), much the same as, for example, Albanians that live in Greece can be called "Albanian-Greeks" (i.e. Greeks in a geographic, not ethnic sense).

Further to your second and third paragraphs, I'm sorry to say, but xenophobia is a national condition affecting a majority of your people. Hating another race, to the point where you make every aspect of their existence a struggle is actually considered as a crime in international law. But Greeks are intertwined in every political aspect of the EU, USA and other Western nations, so that is no problem for them to get away with whatever they wish. That you cannot deny.

Ecrit par : William | mercredi, 18 juin 2008

Macedonia for the Macedonians

Ecrit par : Aleksandar III | mercredi, 18 juin 2008

MACEDONIA for the GREEK MACEDONIANS FOREVER !!! :)))))

EN TOUTO NIKA!!!

Ecrit par : Eleni | mercredi, 18 juin 2008

William, whatever you think about the name thing. I really don't don't care about the Macedonia issue that much. I am a southern Greek and I have no interest in laying any claim to Macedonian heritage. My argument with you is primarily about the two faces that you manifest through your assertion that Greeks are a hateful and intolerant people. Is not saying such things a hateful and intolerant act in itself? What makes you an expert on Greeks? You know a few, talked to few and saw a few be rude to some poor saps? Jesus man, pull your head in. You betray yourself through your words. You are what you accuse the Greeks of being. Moreover, by coming onto a forum and spouting you own intolerance you expose your self as a first class idiot. I don't care what your ethnicity is, stupidity transcends ethnicity.

Ecrit par : John | mercredi, 18 juin 2008

It's not worth discussing anymore after reading an article like this. The pro Greek nationalist line, the 98% ethnic purity nonsense.

Greece is a primitive country where people have no choice but to tough the centralized government line through intimidation and fear including losing one's job etc. Just tell a border guard your on your way to Lerin and see how discpicable they are!

We'll see how far Greece is willing to destabilize the balkans at it's own peril. Greece will always be sensitive and fearing for it's northern province which it now calls Macedonia only since 1989 and wich it aquired through act of war for the first time in 1913, so long as there is still one alive and breathing indigenous Macedonian left on the face of this earth.

Ecrit par : makaton | mercredi, 18 juin 2008

John your a gentelman and a scholar. William has some serious "issues" well let him be his biased self.....Id just stop responding to his posts . Why bother ? "TOUVLO einai"....Hesta

TO DEAREST THANO -Hey Thano I am waiting for the next article ! You go man...! KEEP WRITING AND CONTINUE BEING THE TRAILBLAZER THAT YOU ARE !!

Write it and call it as you see it ! AT least your stuff is truth . if you go to youtube.com you wouldnt believe the anti Greek shit the FYROMIANS have put there .... Luckily you have the freedom of the internet that you can hide behind ...

To the dude above MAKATON what have you ....Buddy let me say this....As long as there is a Greek person breathing on the face of this earth ....This issue will NEVER be resolved....

Anti Greek propaganda etc etc will only make you sink further into the perils of your own Civil War...

Give it time.


Gotta love the Greeks!

Ecrit par : G | jeudi, 19 juin 2008

John,

I'm sorry if you can't handle a counter-argument, but the fact is, I presented a logical, and objective frame of reference for why the Republic of Macedonia doesn't need a further qualifier, in addition to some of my observations whilst in Greece (which I am allowed to say) and your obvious simplemindedness couldn't fathom what I was trying to say. This is a flaw my friend, and is usually the product of not being widely read or informed. You have further demonstrated this by reverting to profanities and slurs in an attempt to maltreat me, and provoke me to do the same. And just for your own information, I am actually of Anglo-Saxon heritage, and am not connected to the argument in an ethnic sense.

Furthermore, I would treat lightly in attempting to categorize me as something I am not, for I do not hate races, I simple dislike and disapprove of rude, ignorant, ill-informed, plainly put - idiots - who attempt to justify claims on a nation, and a cultural heritage that is not theirs (i.e. the Greeks attempting to usurp the entire Macedonian cultural heritage).

So please John, read books/journals from a wide variety of sources, not just Greek propaganda.

Kind Regards,

William

Ecrit par : William | jeudi, 19 juin 2008

William your a WASP ?

How lovely .Allow me to do a 360 here if you dont mind folks. Its a must!

Your diatribe of the Greeks (ancient and now ) & FYROM-ians is an interesting viewpoint but its just your VIEW not really a realistic one or the majority. Yes you can have your say anonymously on the internet . Sure ! Freedom is fabulous isnt it!?!?!
As scholarly as you are have you looked into the corruption , racism ,anti-semitism in your own back yard (past and present) ? Yes there are some MAJOR WASP skeletons in the closet .

Im sure there some blogs and folks closer to home that you can possibly "educate" on those topics that you can realte to closer to home.

Thanks for stopping by and voicing your sole opinion.

Kindest Regards,
-Nsequitur

Ecrit par : Nsequitur | vendredi, 20 juin 2008

Mr. Kalamidas,

the language you use to make your point is inhumane and you make yourself the instrument of a nazi-like propaganda with the sole objective to disturb peace on the Balkans.

Many greek people has to find another purpose in life than just following Greek nationalists.

Ecrit par : Vesna Ivanovska | vendredi, 20 juin 2008

Nsequitur,

You are obviously someone who hasn't really ventured past their own front gate, arent you?
My viewpoint is actually widely shared. Why? Because it actually has historical basis (i.e. Macedonia was divided and the various parts have been classified as I have classified them). I'm unsure of your own background (or lack thereof), but I'm sure its facinating. However, maybe you should actually go and conduct some research into the topic prior to posting your (uneducated) comments. The argument here is regarding the dispute that Greece and Greeks have with the Republic of Macedonia and the Macedonians, not regarding anti-semitism. I just wanted to clear that up with you, in case you didn't understand what the forum here is actually about. Furthermore, its about an author (regardless of his background), making comments that have the potential to incite hatred.

Obviously, you are just another "Hellene" or "Phil-Hellene" who wishes to flood blogs such as these that are facilitating debate with your worthless input. Why don't YOU take YOUR pathetic excuse for an opinion and go somewhere else.

Ecrit par : William | vendredi, 20 juin 2008

William shut your pie hole!

Ecrit par : Vladimir | samedi, 21 juin 2008

Please visit http://www.florina.org/ for further information about the Macedonian minority in Greece.

Born Macedonian.

Ecrit par : Apostolov | samedi, 21 juin 2008

Vladimir,

Now what exactly is your problem? Are you one of those idiots who doesn't understand the value of a debate, are you? Can't handle the opinion (based on fact) of someone else?

Please, don't humor me.

Ecrit par : William | lundi, 23 juin 2008

http://www.ana.gr/anaweb/user/showplain?maindoc=6569550&maindocimg=6569570&service=6

READ IT

Karamanlis noted that 4,000 Greek businesses are active in the region, while 3,000 Greek bank branches are also operating. He also referred to the International University's role in promoting cooperation between the countries in the region.


B:If it wasnt for Greece FYROM would starve. FYROM is biting the hand that is feeding it it seems ?

The majority of the economy is being driven by Greece all these years.

Bunch of Village idiots

Ecrit par : Boris | mardi, 24 juin 2008

There's no sense trying to extract discussion from your typical greek William.

When they have no facts they can only lash out with rascist bigoted name calling and threats. The more they are exposed the better for the Macedonian cause.

Greece is a primitive nationalist dictatorship with a primitive mindset instilled into it's people. Unfortunately we'll be forced to witness how far they are willing to destabilize the balkans and Europe that can only result in the demise of Greece as we know it.

Cancer indeed. It's Greece that's sick with cancer and the only option is to amputate!

Pozdrav

Ecrit par : makaton | jeudi, 26 juin 2008

Shame on you Vardarskans!

Ecrit par : ELENA | jeudi, 26 juin 2008

Makaton the WANNABE writes:

Greece is a primitive nationalist dictatorship with a primitive mindset instilled into it's people. Unfortunately we'll be forced to witness how far they are willing to destabilize the balkans and Europe that can only result in the demise of Greece as we know it.

Cancer indeed. It's Greece that's sick with cancer and the only option is to amputate!

Demise of Greece ?

What a MORON!

Fyromian I presume right ?

HATEFUL TROUBLEMAKING BIGOT PEOPLE!

Greece should pull out ALL there businesses and FYROM should be know for selling ONLY MENURE!

The rest of the Balkans will progress while FYROM will dwindle.

The world has enough of its own problems you think they really care about your people and your name?

The superpowers are just using you for bases (army and energy)...your country can try to use them "on your side" RUBBISH but let me tell you Greece and its people will never GIVE UP

MACEDONIA IS GREEK AND WILL ALWAYS BE GREEK >>>STEP OFF!

Ecrit par : nikola | jeudi, 26 juin 2008

Nikola the gerkoman,

I'm the same as you my friend with the Macedonian name. Did you even know that? I could make things easy for myself and identify as a greek too, and not have to put up with greek fascism against us. But that's against my principles, against truth, honour and dignity. We deserve our basic humans rights too. Did that ever occur to you?

At what point did you exit the hellinization chamber and have your nervana? If you want to be greek thats your business but why lie about us? Why be so defensive? Is your family history implicated in the extermination of Macedonians? Are you afraid of losing your job and position? Are you afraid of the occupiers leaving? What will you do then? Be more Macedonian than the Macedonians?

Macedonia was never Greek and everyone knows it. It's greeks who were the superpower's pawns when they created your artificial anti-Russian buffer state. How did vlachs, turks, prosfygs and macedonians become 98% pure hellenes in the first place.

Let the Greeks explain to the world who they are. And don't bother threatening me.

Ecrit par : makaton | vendredi, 27 juin 2008

Vardarskans (AKA Skopians, Tetovians, Albanians, etc) should be proud of their own culture. If they are not, it is simply too bad for them. We Hellenes should take every opportunity to SHOUT that Vararskans have no relation to Hellenism at all. Vardarskans know very well they they are not Makedones. They know quite well that they have no relation to our mythical unprecedented land of Hellas. They are the ones who fought vehemently on the side of the Nazis, the Albanians, the Italians, the Bulgarians, even the communists with one SOLE puspose: To bleed the ancestral land of Democracy. I have lost family because of the Vardarskans and I have no pitty for these people.

Ecrit par : ELENA | lundi, 30 juin 2008

I ahd to repost this story


AMEN TO THAT!!!!!

Athens dismisses latest FYROM quip

Greece on Thursday flatly dismissed the latest diplomatic "fireworks" launched by the leadership of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) this week regarding the pesky "name issue", with a foreign ministry spokesman denying that Athens was placing any new issues on the agenda of UN-mediated talks aimed to solve the 17-year-old dispute.

Foreign ministry spokesman George Koumoutsakos termed comments by FYROM FM Antonio Milososki as a completely "baseless, unqualified and unsubstantiated attempt to create impressions" by the FYROM side.

Moreover, the spokesman reiterated that Greece's negotiating position, "and the way we understand and deal with negotiations, has been unwavering from the first moment; everything was clear, open. In fact, the consistency of Greece's positions was absolutely confirmed at the NATO summit in Bucharest. The validity of our positions is undisputed and our positions remain steadfast to the letter."

Milososki was quoted by local media in Skopje this week as saying "it would be good if we close all the possible issues that could cause misunderstanding in the future", after first accusing the Greek side of "piling on" more issues in negotiations, which acquired a distinct urgency for the FYROM side after Greek leadership more-or-less made clear its position of "no solution, no invitation" to NATO or the EU.

Asked during a regular press briefing at the foreign ministry about the most recent comments by Skopje government officials regarding a "Macedonian minority" in northern Greece and even discussion of such an issue in ongoing negotiations, Koumoutsakos said:

"For Greece there is one specific and defined objective in this negotiation process, in fact, this is the mandate under which the UN Secretary General's envoy, Matthew Nimetz, exercises his duties and mission. The obstructive delay tactics followed by the leadership of Skopje are revealed more and more every day.

"This is confirmed by a series of unacceptable, in terms of manner and content, statements, as well as by this unfortunate attempt to generate non-existent and baseless issues. Greece will not be influenced and will not participate in any attempt to divert negotiations from their objective, which is none other than a mutually acceptable solution to the 'name issue'. Greece will continue to work constructively for a solution," he concluded.

Caption: ANA-MPA file photo of

Ecrit par : AMEN TO THAT ! | jeudi, 03 juillet 2008

I would like to say that i really like your site www.europeus.org a lot
now.. back to business hehe
I cant say that im 100% with what you wrote... care to explain deeper?

Ecrit par : christian | lundi, 25 août 2008

i agreed with author. thanksqz

Ecrit par : masahira | dimanche, 19 octobre 2008

You should be shot for the stupidity that you attempt to convert into truth you ignorant animal. The People of the Real Macedonian (that's right the one with Skopje as the Capital), can be bothered with people such as yourselves that you use their own forum to preach their beliefs and truths. Why is it that 60% of Greece's land mass speaks another language other than Greek? Oh that's right because they are Macedonians which have been persecuted, raped and murdered by your Government. Before you right an article on human rights, you need to get your facts straight you moron.

Ecrit par : Alexander the Great of Macedonia | jeudi, 18 décembre 2008

You are Vardarskans and you should be proud of your true culture. The land of democracy is not for sale.

Ecrit par : ELENA | mercredi, 13 mai 2009